At first, you say you suggest a bait system (not necessarily Sentricon but some type of bait system) but later, you say to do a termidor exterior plus treatment. Considering these limitations, Altriset is a better alternative because it is a quick-acting termiticide that effectively kills both the types of termites and prevents infestation. Regarding safety of Altriset EPA does not require any warning or caution labeling, which is quite rare. I have an active termite infestation in Maryland (have seen swarms emerge inside and outside of house near front stoop for a few years. I have used them for the 12 years I have had the home and repeatedly had to have them come out and spot treat between whole area treatments. But thank you for your insight I use Ensystex ,the Exterra bait station is the largest station I have seen.Ensystex has done studies that prove termites hit a larger target more often.The Exterra station is recommended at 15 feet apart and no more than 20 feet. Non-Repellent termite insecticides are chemicals designed to be transparent to subterranean termites. Just to recap, when we remodeled our home in the spring of 2009, we found termites and a small amount of termite damage in the middle of our basement on two support posts and a few framing members. With the help of ATP the active ingredient has more movement horizontally and vertically compared to Termidor SC. The stations are generally 10 apart, so the average home has 17-18 stations, and the termites are supposed to find them via random foraging. They are not recommending treatment around the entire house. Everything I have read on here makes me lean towards Termidor. Meanwhile the termite colony is still eating a pound of wood per day at that home until, by chance, they happen upon a bait station. Altriset is cost-effective compared to Termidor but works almost the same way. The bait is tightly packed in a plastic container. Answer: Altriset Termiticide and Termidor SC are both used as an outdoor treatment for termites. Other company reps report equal success with bait vs. chemicals but they ARE slicker sales guys. Wait, maybe you ARE the perfect rep for baiting systems. Either way seems like a bad idea. Also I apologize for all the typos, my phone was acting up as I was typing the message. Everyone knows that Roger Gold is a nut and will take money from anyone who pays him. I am looking at paying about $50 dollars more by using the Sentricon treatment from Company B and feel that I will be getting the protection that I need for the active termites that were found in the crawl spaces of my home. Too much work for an old man. (old exit holes in a ceiling tile on one end of house only) The company also wants to put the liquid Termidor inside in the bathtub drain traps, they said it would stay there for 20 years. With more than 20 years of research and 16 years of market performance, Termidor termiticide is the most trusted name in termite control. The fact is that these baiting systems seldom work and all they are doing is selling you a VERY expensive warranty. It also appears to us at Termite Guys Brisbane that Termidor HE in the way it is marketed comes across as less labor intensive, with less drilling, less digging and thus less work for the installer. The cost for all three treatment types is nearly equal. you name it, Ive used it. Web(Termidor, Premise, Altriset) Scientific studies documenting colony elimination: 60 < 5: Eliminate the termite queen: Routinely: Occasionally: Treatment is minimally-to-non-disruptive to home, lawn and landscaping: Routinely: Occasionally: Treatment effectiveness does not degrade over time: Tangible and visible evidence of protection: From what I have been reading, very few entomologists have faith in termite baiting systems. Im not trying to dispute the reputation of the organization, Im just wondering. We removed the damaged wood and floated a floor leveler over the area where the old posts were removed. and they have many Advanced Accounts, after servicing those accounts I feel the stations have a bad design like Exterra with allowing too much sand in the stations( soil intrusion). Sorry to stir up an old thread guys, but Id like some input on my situation from a few experts that are not going to make a buck off me. There is nothing to leach. Termites are subterranean, and Termidor destroys the Termite colony. My dilemma is the fact that the pipes to the pool go througha lush garden area. Cade, dont argue with me; argue with Stoy Hedges PhD. In March 2013, saw a swarm from under refrigerator. A termite inspection was done before closing, and no active termites found. If termites are present inside the structure and a repellent chemical is used, the termites will "back up" inside the walls to avoid it. So, since originally posting on this site, ive had two companies come out and look at my home. Any method of treatment is only as good as the company applying it. Ive just found out Termidor is banned in France as they think it is harmfull to the enviroment. Retail Store and Distribution Center For years, homeowners have been looking for a green solution for their termite problems. When you find any termites, then you swap out with the bait and keep monitoring. If I go for a treatment now ( no termites ) which is better-Termidor (the liquid) or Sentricon ( the baits )? Stop looking for cheap and focus more on quality. Every home is different and it needs to be evaluated individually to determine whether a bait system or liquid treatment is right for your particular property. Is Advance also now always active or pre-baited? Which one is better? I have recently discovered we have termites in our 108 year old farm house. Once termites start eating the bait, they spread it to all the other termites in the colony and they literally wipe themselves out of existence. Terminix rep claimed it was good for 10-15 years. I cant say that I blame them, however, I have experience with ALL the methods and products more than 5,000 termite jobs. Scott- The termites dont need to come to the surface or to build tunnels. House was built in 2008. Earlier posts on this site indicate that Sentricon was preferable, but these were couple years old posts. It is also regarded as one of the most toxic. Termidor is the only Termiticide to show 100% effectiveness against termites and also provides termite colony elimination. Lets take a look at the way products like this work, their benefits, and their downsides. You can clearly see it was termites. I have been in the industry for 40 years and agree with you Jim. I have an annual termite inspection by Terminix. & Price Match Guarantee - Details, ePestSupply . Altriset is non-repellent to the termites and also very safe for the environment, probably the safest of all currently available termiticides. Finally, in the past 5 years I have not personally seen nor issued any retreatments on a home where Sentricon HD was installed properly. And yes, by putting an above ground station where the active tunnel is, you will immediately be getting bait into the colony. And their training is world class. The only way to deal with you wanting a cheaper price is cut the rate. Hope this has helped. We are torn with what option to go with and have been told from both Terminx and another vendor that Sentricon is a waste of money and does not work. Instead, they contact, ingest and share Termidor , completely unaware that doing so inevitably will kill them. After that, it has had enough time to dry and should be fine. You can try to change them all you want, but your pettiness and skewed numbers are very easy to see through. Never wears off. Thank you! In March 2014, swarm again in the same location. Altriset Termiticide: Active ingredient in altriset is Chlorantraniliprole. All Animal Care , Shop All The termites are not repelled and in most cases cannot even sense that these chemicals are present. This is very seldom successful for the "blind" subterranean termite workers. Amanda, stay clear of that program its a scam on consumers and has been banned in several states and is under scrutiny by many attorney generals . Yes. Why waste your money paying for insurance. Sharon, termidor bonds with the soil. They dont work period. And do these estimates sound typical for 2012. In the 1970's, high pressured sprayers putting out a whopping "150 PSI" were popular in the pest control industry. Termites go for the wood in the ground no matter how old it is. DuPont ALTRISET Termite Control Product PDF Links Size does count , with the larger stations Ive had more hits. Whats to stop you from just pre-baiting all the tubes in the area where you have seen swarmers? However, both are solid companies with good reputations. You may be able to find other brands on line, but they are probably not as effective or have the testing history of Sentricon. It is safe for pets, plants and humans. Its totally unnecessary with Termidor unless you have activity there . No one has mention anything about the content of the contract . Are you a new applicator? The liquid application will take care of the immediate problem, and the Sentricon will be a good long term solution to eliminating all the termite colonies surrounding your home. WebSo, now lets discuss the differences when comparing the Andis T Outliner vs Oster T Finisher. Your home is now being protected year round with active bait. This product can quickly eradicate the entire termite colonies and the treatment remains active for years without causing any harm to the nearby pets or plants. The newest version is called Always Active and the bait is designed to last 1-5 years. Double check with that guy about what termiticide he is using. Sounds like we could have just opted for Termidor and told them where to shove their Sentricon AND quarterly inspections. For more unbiased info, go to http://tiny.cc/9eu3fw, Our old floorboards started lifting so we decided to replace them. Jay you seem to have a lot of knowledge for someone so hell-bent on Sentricon. In-Stock Orders Placed By 3:00 PM CT Ship Today! A national chain is going to have higher overhead because they pay a chunk to headquarters. Please do not hesitate to contact Michael: Take a look at the label where you would normally see the words DANGER/POISON, WARNING or CAUTION and you will only see the following statement: When used as directed this product does not present a hazard to humans or domestic animals.. Has strong trophollaxis effect and is very effective. Ants have 3 distinct sections to their body (like a wasp). P.s I have ruled out the Sentricon system for our northern climate. WebTermidor carries a CAUTION on the pesticide label in USA and is highly active against a variety of non-target animals such as bees and fish. You know what Jay? Uh.. wouldnt that defeat the purpose of non-repellant poisons like Termidor? Jessica if you do choose baits go with Exterra or Advance.And it sounds like your home would be a candidate for either one. My point is that if a homeowner has termites eating their home RIGHT now, they should NOT rely on a baiting system ALONE to entice them to stop. The award recognizes technical innovation incorporating environmentally responsible1 chemistry into its design, manufacture and use. Currently, the product is approved for subterranean termites but also works for all the types of termites and other pests. The Termidor products are produced by the German company BASF SE. Id say that alone destroys what little credibility you had. Both companies guarantee to repair any termite damage found after treatment. Sentricon is the only University-tested termite control product that totally eliminates the termite colonies underground at their source. How is there any doubt remaining that thats going to be the better deal? First you put in the tubes with some tasty wood and have to monitor for activity monthly. If it didnt, we wouldnt risk our reputations or the cost of callbacks using it. The only way I would do more than bi-monthly is if they are pre-baited. The maintenance manager of my office building (govt building) has worked with EcoLab. 3) The company that treated you home will probably come back and inspect free whenever you have a concern. Has strong trophollaxis effect and is very effective. I would not depend on DuPonts Altriset either. Again, as a homeowner and as a termite professionalI had Termidor applied during the building of my home and I now have Sentricon installed around the perimeter. I did not say anything offensive or personal in the posts. Would Termidor be a viable method since there is the possibility of incomplete interior coverage. With Advance (and all the other bait products out there), the pest company pays piecemeal (approx $10 per station and $20 per bait tube). From years of field experience I can honestly say termidor is the best product. In 1986 my property was treated to prevent termite damage. Well, I can call him a nut, because I know him personally. We have subterranean termites. Sentricon has been around a lot longer. The termites then then die due to lack of activity and inability to eat. Thanks! I have also served as chairman of the wood destroying insect committee of the National Pest Management Assn. One company, which I will call Company A is recommending the Termidor treatment alone and the other, Company B is recommending the Termidor treatment and the Sentricon bait treatment together. It also increases termites natural social behavior. It is amazing they can find a 2 inch thick tomato steak. I have no idea which is truly better which is why I was asking for recommendations. Our full perimeter subterranean termite treatments also include a one year, moneyback guarantee! Ant wings are only slightly longer than their bodies. Our company has been in business for over 34 years and licensed in SC, FL, GA , and TN. The largest company in the world, Terminix International, has discontinued the use of Sentricon because they deemed it a failure. I wouldnt be afraid to use it though. It has years of data backing up its effectiveness in several University studies. Both are neo-nicotinal class insecticides, but Termidor is the more expensive of the two. I have a few Advance customers, but I would NEVER recommend it over Sentricon. You may have mentioned the state(s) you work in but could you repeat for my benefit what hands-on experience you have with using baits in cold climates as far north as zone 2-3 (I live right close to the SD/ND border). The only people who question the effectiveness of Sentricon are those who never became authorized dealers. You state, There is no evidence that termites are attracted to cellulose. That is like saying humans are not attracted to food. WebTERMIDOR HE HIGH EFFICIENCY TERMITICIDE Revision date : 2014/10/01 Page: 6/11 Version: 1.0 (30629254/SDS_CPA_US/EN) Vapour pressure: approx. Thanks. Altriset Review UPDATED 2020 Altriset Termiticide & How To Apply. It also increases termites natural social behavior. Small price to pay for a wealth of information. I live in Northern Virginia and after seeing swarmers in our kitchen by the frigerator last year, we were choosing between Sentricon and Termidor. Have you ever thought of extending your guarantee? Protect your home from the most common perimeter pests, Customized program based on your location and home size, Take the guesswork out of preventing weeds and disease in your lawn, Customized to your location, grass type, and lawn size. Stations that are located in dryer areas may not be found by termites, which require wet soil to live and feed. I have done over 10,000 termite inspections and treatments in my career. I would ask an Authorized Sentricon Operator in your area for advice for your particular situation. Over time as the termite activity has disappeared the extra bait stations were removed. To use Altriset, a professional digs a deep trench around the home. For localized treatment of Drywood termites Buena Vista Company- The Pest Guys chooses Termidor. Keep up the good work. How many are allowed? What I do is a 5 year guarantee,with no yearly renewal fee due for the first five years, then after 5 years a yearly renewal fee of 50.00 -75.00. You may be correct in a few isolated cases, but wrong in most. It usually will not foam on its own. So far no problems. Studies show Termidor is 99% effective in 90 days, I have never known of a failure. I am very excited to offer this product now. 100% Termidor termiticide: Every treatment is protected by the strength of Termidor termiticide, trusted for years of proven performance. What is your investment, 50 dollars and thirty minutes? Every independent study done will back that up Really, Jim. 27 of 36 people found this answer helpful. No. They (or at least the one I worked at) did work that was second to none and treated their customers very fairly. Since Termidor tends to last 10 years (with no guarantees, I know), Im wondering if I should bother with the longer warranty. I really dont appreciate your blanket statements about my company. Termite Guys Brisbanes biggest purpose is to ensure you as a homeowner the absolutely safest protection of your home. Which means every time the soil around your home gets wet Premise will dilute and spread thinner .Termidor bonds with the soil and does not move . Found live termites feeding in a couple beams and studs while gutting my basement for a remodel last spring. Termidor works a little quicker. How can you tell how safe a product is to use? Only a few dont. I witnessed how Orkin trained salesmen to work the obituaries and how to drive through neighborhoods looking for yard ornaments common to the elderly (targeting elderly ).I worked at 2 Terminix branches , both were great when they were local owned franchises but once Service Master took over it got really bad . Premise is a cheaper alternative that does not work as well. Altriset is a highly effective termite control product that stops the termites from feeding within hours of application. They work great! Im sure Premise has worked well for Ron and others who want a lower cost alternative, but they shouldnt bad mouth products that they have never used and know very little about. And the assessed risk as per the label is ZERO. The science behind them is that the termites will find the bait in the stations, eat it, go feed up to several million of their sisters, then be unable to shed their skins (exo-skeletons), then die as a result. Tyler is right about Termidor being better than Sentricon or any other bait. That means termites cannot see, smell, taste, or avoid it. Their former president (Ward Combs) is a past president of the NPMA. For more information on moving, check out my Roadmap for a Successful Relocation. It is an approved, most used, and fully efficient product that professionals use in post and pre-construction. My mothers house is in NY where Termidor cant be used. Over time, this kind of termite treatment has the potential to kill the entire colony. The company that tried to sell me Sentricon proposed a $1600 installation with a $425 renewal for 268 lineal feet of foundation. I sweeped them up only to notice that there were more coming out of my vents gross!. Achieve additional savings on deep-footed structures. Termidor SC is labeled for all kinds of pests, including termites, ants, crickets, etc. Scott, $10/LF would be the higher end of our local rates.With the exception of Orkin and another locally owned company at $12/LF. Sentricon is the most environmentally friendly. Here is a quote from an entomologist about the research on Sentricon by the University of Florida: Its a major conflict of interest, Texas A&M entomology Professor Roger Gold said. However, both options deliver solutions on their own timeframe and have a very different impact on your budget, the environment, and your life. We are in the process of purchasing a new house that has been sitting on the market for 3 years. I am leaning toward the Phantom/Advance trap combination and would appreciate any input on this solution. Sorry Tyler but I think we are misunderstanding each other on guarantees . You have to use a liquid (like Termidor), or a liquid plus bait. No worriess only a little paper on the dry wall was eaten. Scott- We have been having fantastic results with the new always active Sentricon formulation. My personal technique is simple sentricon to eliminate the colony(s) from your property AND/ drill/liquid treat attached slabs, dirtfilled porches, or critical areas JUST IN CASE! ;-). So, the barrier created stays effective longer. Sentricon baits, if done right can be somewhat effective.Nothing close to Termidor . Its active ingredient is Fipronil usually found in pet products to control flea. How can I as a home owner tell if the pest control company is realy using termidor or water down or counterfit when they come to aply. Especially since you have an active infestation. I dont work for Dow. Jim, DuPonts Arilon is NOT a new product. Company B claims they still use termidor for the control of other insects but stopped using it for termite control in favor of the sentricon system because it is safer for the homeowner. Use Enter/Space key to select the menu/submenu items. It is water soluble, and less enduring in wet soils. The polymer then dissipates and thus allows the fipronil to bind to the soil. Termidors active ingredient, Fipronil, is the same ingredient used in many flea and tick control products like Frontline. He latched the holes in the hollow cinderblock with cement. Usually, the damage is closer to $1,000. Amanda, if it comes to a choice between Termidor & Premise 75 the Termidor wins easily . Not to take away from Sentricon, as I have stated I do believe they are probably the leading bait stations and they do work excellent once termites find them, but you must use liquid along with the bait. I have a brick house on a concrete slab in south Mississippi. His spot treatment for the basement would be contained to the area where the posts were removed. I think Altriset will be a good product too. We just bought a home with extensive termite damage that wasnt found until after closing, despite TWO termite inspections by different companies. !Sentricon does contaminate your soil every time it rains! I dont know much about Ecolab, but they might be under a larger name too. And relax Jay, I dont think killing bugs is something to get a complex over anyway lol! Right now we have two main alternatives The Sentricon System and Termidor. However, if you want to do it yourself, we've put together a simple strategy that makes the job easy. At the time it was new in our area and we did not know anyone else who had it. Sentricon is much more environmentally friendly. And one more thing! They just switched me to bait in every station now and I can only think it will work even better. We are located across the street from the gulf. Lets see what some of the leading experts have to say. The HVAC man found them last week all under my home. Im concerned with conflicting info about whether Transport is a nonrepellent or not the FMC website says it is but bifenthrin is described as a repellent elsewhere. As far as I know I am the only one in the state that has no yearly fees for the first 5 years.Its an awesome sales point.And now for a KILLER reason to choose Termidor over bait. 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