Infinite Zamasu, after fully forming, was going to literally break through the boundary between the Future Trunks' timeline and the present timeline through sheer power after it took over the entirety of the multiverse. Whis warns Goku of this early in the arc, that if Zeno gets pissed there's a good chance he'll just nuke everything. Vados said Jiren transcended time cause he beat Hits time cage but Zamasu actually showed that by being felt in another timeline. He is as arrogant as his previous incarnation, declaring himself to be above his fellow gods. Jirens presence has been quite sparse following the climactic events of the Tournament of Power, but hes still righting wrongs in Universe 11 and capable of incredible destruction that can put many Dragon Ball characters to shame. off-topic question before closure, should Beerus and people who scale have Universal+ Range since Beerus was only mildly annoyed at Infinite Zamasu? Considering Anilaza took more than just SSJB Goku and Vegeta to be defeated, i am guessing he is stronger than Merged Zamasu, and Jiren barely flinched at his sight. Goku, Vegeta, and Future Trunks unleash a combined Kamehameha, Galick Gun and Final Flash, but it had no effect against Zamasu. Thanks to Kale's special Legendary Super Saiyan form, Kefla is several times stronger than the average fusion. Beerus is aided by the standard God of Destruction perks like the erasing power of Hakai, but he's never fully applied himself to a battle in the series. #21. He was defeated and the Time Rift vanished. As of the anime (for Juju Kaisen), Zamasu has better feats and is several times beyond universal (as an understatement) he can just negate Gojou's infinity by being more powerful than him, even if he lets him use his domain expansion. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. and even managed to tag him slightly with her lasers. Infinite Jiren: Was stated, even while heavily suppressed, to be the mightiest enemy the Z-Fighters have ever faced, which was later confirmed to be true by the official promotion for Dragon Ball Super episode 129 This puts Jiren above Infinite Zamasu, who was merging with the entire point in time he was in and was also seeping into the past I've made my stance on this pretty clear, I think the only difference between IZ and gross Zamasu is higher dimensional existence and immortality via abstract existence. Not sure about that one. He then removes the sword from his body before shattering it and transforms himself into Fused Zamasu. A Fight Without End: Who Can Topple Jiren? Doubt Angels can do anything to him. However, Ultra Ego Vegeta represents a powerful evolution that feeds into the Saiyan's aggressive tendencies. We had an entire thread discussing this with the conclusion that he actually did so, I don't think it's even note worthy trying to make repetitions at this point. While Goku Black was able to overpower Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta, it still turns into a close fight. In the Dragon Ball Super manga, Infinite Zamasu retained the Super Saiyan Ros form that he possessed when he was Fused Zamasu. When Goku tells Future Zeno that they are the ones responsible for what's happening, he deems them annoying and prepares to destroy them along with the entire universe. Jiren is likely to charge at Zeno and attempt to overwhelm him with brute force. I don't think anyone besides the Angels can touch Infinite Zamasu. As long as the space-time rift exists the clones will keep regenerating or more will appear, was becoming one with the universe and overriding its law and order, he was even shown to be present in the main timeline, was affecting the present to a certain degree, Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information. His only goal in whatever remains of hismind from his previous incarnations seems to be to become one with the entire universe and beyond in order to kill all life forms, mortal and god; andbecome justice itself. still don't see ultra instinct goku being as powerful as Blue Vegito. Jiren (DB) - vs - Infinite Zamasu (DB) # 39.5 K Jiren (DB) Infinite Zamasu exists in the entire multiverse and in the past and future, but Jiren is way too powerful. Initially, when Fused Zamasu's time ran out, Infinite Zamasu began taking on the form of his fusees. Goku vs. Jiren First Round Supercut - Dragon Ball Super Miles 8.4M views 5 years ago Dragon Ball Super: Goku & Vegeta Train and Grow Beards English Sub CHADL3Y 15K views 6 years ago Dragon Ball. (bold). Universe/Timeline Zamasu could literally be felt by Beerus and Whis in the present timeline. That being said, this means that hijacking the universe and becoming a spacetime would only affect his form, whereas his power level would remain exactly the same, Nothing is wrong, only Zamasu's will overflows that allowed him to achieve being a literary 4D being, now Jiren and Goku climb to release energy infinitely greater than Zamas or be linked equal to Bill who sees Zamas as a non-threat. I actually heard something about him "Engulfing the universe" which by definition would mean he is eating the universe. Beerus will have to remotely destroy the timeline infinite zamasu is merging in before he continues to encompass another almost reaching to another timeline e.g. But thanks to the dragon's power, his being remains. However, in Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2, he still retains his sanity and is able to speak with Chronoa, the Supreme Kai of Time. In the manga, after Future Trunks cuts the half-defused Fused Zamasu in half, Goku Black and Future Zamasu seemed to be defused. Updated December 26, 2022 by Daniel Kurland: There is no shortage of powerful juggernauts in Dragon Ball that could take out most of a solar system if they were so inclined. Infinite Zamasu [2] ( Mugen Zamasu) is the final incarnation of Zamasu and antagonist of the "Future" Trunks Saga. Same threads, same repeated arguments from both sides since how long? You are using an out of date browser. That involves kinetic, potential, and gravitational binding energy. Kefla's defeat is only a matter of time if Jiren is involved. Jiren's been confirmed as beerus tier, and beerus against zamasu was considered spite by most here @frocharocha: True that Jiren's glare has a pretty wide aoe though, and even if he uses a hand blast and Zamasu reforms he can just fire a bigger one. Jiren as of episode 128. Beerus could wipe out Earth in an instant, but he's built a reputation for prolonged laziness and a passion for rich cuisine. JavaScript is disabled. It's kind of remarkable that the Tournament of Power views Jiren as the ultimate target to beat, but in the eyes of the Grand Priest, he's merely a warning shot. These clones can also block Ki sensing), Size Manipulation (Can increase his size), Rage Power, Afterimage Creation, Likely Analytical Prediction and Light Manipulation (Via Solar Flare), Electricity Manipulation (Via Lightning of Absolution), Explosion Manipulation, Possibly has Sound Manipulation, Statistics Amplification, Pressure Point Strikes, and Energy / Ki Absorption, Half of his body adapted to gravity via the Gravity Machine and has Resistance to Extrasensory Perception (Cannot be sensed by beings lesser than a God), Extreme Heat, Extreme Cold, Harsh Temperatures, Cosmic Radiations, Paralysis, Time Stop (Goku Black stated to possess all of Gokus abilities), Attack Potency: Low Multiverse level (At least as strong as Infinite Zamasu, who is simply the disembodied will of himself that spread across the universe after his body was cut down. Transforming into his Grotesque form lowers his speed at the expense of higher attack power. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Jiren could double his strength and it still wouldn't make a difference to someone Zeno. However, Im still not seeing how Infinite Zamasu was that far above Jiren. Vados' Angel powers far surpass the likes of most Gods of Destruction and even if she doesn't stoop to Angel exclusive skills she's still bound to win. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Goku and Beerus fist bump and destroy the universe with Zamasu as Goku IT's them to safety. Both are incredibly skilled martial artists who are able to match Super Saiyan Blue Goku and Vegeta blow for blow and are pragmatic enough to attack their foes from behind and steal their power) | Unknown (Seems to have devolved into a mindless beast bent only on the destruction of mortals, as all he does is cackle madly), Weaknesses: Due to being a fusion of a mortal and immortal being, Fusion Zamasu's immortality is compromised and his regeneration is far slower. Just because you're a certain tier doesn't mean you can lift stuff at that level. That's what happens. In the anime, this being is the surviving will of Fused Zamasu left over from his destruction because of Future Zamasu's immortality. Even if IZ has immeasurable lifting strength, no other character would get it. As with the anime,Whis travels to the alternate timeline to warn the Beerus from said timeline about Zamasu's intentions and thus stopping the Zamasu of that timeline from ever causing harm to anyone, god and mortal. This means that no matter how much Hit improves his Time-Skip technique, he is still more likely to lose the fight than win. He didn't think he could take him. Budokai Tenkaichi Final Bout Super Sonic Warriors Super Dragon Ball Z Burst Limit Infinite World Raging Blast. Zamasu literally abandoned his body and merged with the cosmos because he knew it'd make him unstoppable (since his body was flawed/unstable). Well, since Jiren scales above Infinite Zamasu and Beerus is vastly stronger than Post-UIS2 SSB Goku (who pushed Jiren to use more energy) then Beerus and Whis would scale far above Infinite Zamasu and could easily defeat him, potentially. Zamasu, since Jiren has no way to completely kill him. So in conclusion since i decided merged zamasu is 40,404,040,000,000 times more powerful then jiren, is immortal, and can travel through time, im pretty sure merged zamasu wins this and if all else fails if jiren takes him out somehow his immortality can turn him into infinite zamasu which required zeno to take out, so i think merged zamasu wins. The main purpose of this forum is to discuss how to properly index the statistics of characters from a wide variety of different fictional franchises. @frocharocha: When has Jiren cut anything? By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. [url=https://www.superherodb.com/jiren-db-vs-infinite-zamasu-db/90-250062/][/url], https://www.superherodb.com/jiren-db-vs-infinite-zamasu-db/90-250062/. Jiren is definitively stronger. A lot of verses are left floundering in the wind (I really need an LOTR expert in, Great Will help me). Goku digs into his pocket to find a Senzu Bean but instead finds the button to call Future Zeno. Furthermore, Fused Zamasu in Heroes hasn't really shown any new crazy feat. The Grand Priest works as well as he does because his restraint forces the audience's imagination to run wild. You must log in or register to reply here. This in itself is a testament to Kefla's phenomenal power. Zamasu would win with immortality, Jiren has no way to beat him. It took LB Goku just to get this guy to activate his battle aura. They then start beating Goku down and attempted to kill him. JavaScript is disabled. Fused Zamasu also wouldn't likely fare much better against Jiren either. @standardized: jiren can't be powerful than two merged gods. Jiren is one of the most powerful characters in the history of Dragon Ball. One of these beams attacks the group of survivors. Soon after, Whis travels to an alternate timeline to warn the Beerus from said timeline about Zamasu's intentions, preventing Zamasu's plan from being re-created and having Future Trunks and Future Mai travel to that timeline to live there after their world was destroyed. As his fused body became an unbalanced mix, with Future Zamasu's immortality struggling to "repair" his body as a single being, resulting in a splitting image of his fusees. Must be my memory, but I don't remember where it was decided to rate Zamasu's lifting strength at that level. That is also fits with the scaling much better than before, Nothing ever suggests that merging with the universe had any affect on his power level. Jr. God of destruction Beerus saga/Resurrection of F saga/Universe 6 saga: (except from Xeno, gods and angels) Goku black saga: (except from zeno again and infinite zamasu) Super Saiyan rose Goku black. This is both Infinite Zamasu & Jiren The Gray from both Dragon Ball Super manga & anime before their deaths without any injuries. it's impossible to do that with 3-A energy because the gap in power required to do so is infinite according to the standards, But really, none of this is proving that Zamasu's ki experienced an infinite growth in size. @raziel2014: if you think merged zamasu is stronger than kefla you need to get your power scaling checked. Afafakja 6 mo. @frocharocha: Jiren's from another universe. In fact, Infinite Zamasu does not show any awareness of Future Zeno whatsoever until the instant he is about to be erased from existence by him. And jiren is still above all of them. . You can connect with him on his email: reipenber17@gmail.com, 10 Best Villains From The Dragon Ball Movies, Ranked, 10 Funniest Moments From The Dragon Ball Franchise, Dragon Ball Super: 15 Strongest Characters In The Tournament Of Power, Ranked, 10 Best Filler Characters In Anime History, Ultra Instinct may even be an Angel's natural state, Every Non-Canon Dragon Ball Z Movie, Ranked. And he's also "Engulfing the universe" implying he's fitting it inside him and isn't collapsing himself. Vegito Blue as of the Black arc. Only hax can beat him. In Dragon Ball Super: Super Hero, Dr. Hedo releases Gamma 1 and 2, an Android duo that puts every past model to shame. Infinite Zamasu wins both rounds. The convo is also in the manga except they're at Bulma's. Its been thrilling to see Goku and Earths heroes take on stronger threats that leave the comfort of the planet and introduce a whole multiverse of adversaries. Infinite Zamasu transforms into Super Saiyan Ros, wears Potara & Time Ring, has Time Machine, and creates Clones. Infinite zamasu lacks in power to defeat jiren, but jiren has no means at all to deal with him. Jiren's powers are even beyond time, which Vados explains during the Tournament of Power. Who else is multiversal level other than Super Shenron and his creator? Privacy Policy. Hell, even Goku thought he could handle Infinite Zamasu if he had another senzu bean available Infinite Zamasu required Zen'o himself to get rid of. Infinite History Saga. "Zamasu to Burakku - Fukamaru futari no nazo . The Supreme Kai of Time then tells Zamasu that his death will always be a part of history, shortly where Zamasu disappears as he is erased by Future Zeno along with the future timeline. Zamasu aims to destroy all mortals, which he considers to be nothing but sinful vermin. Promotional material doesn't mean anything if it contradicts the story. Caulifla= SSj2 tier fighter same as Zamasu. Jiren is considered one of the strongest characters in Dragon Ball, but there are still a few fan-favorites who could beat him in a fight. That's what happens. While the line is manga only, it matches up with the anime where Whis relies on other methods to deal with immortal Zamasu when he travels to the future with Trunks at the end of the arc. I am talking about Zamasu's immeasurable lifting strength. What stands these two apart is that Jiren studies intense meditation and calculated strategies, whereas Broly fights purely through instinct, which has its share of setbacks. Goku wanted another shot at full power as a last stand and not because he thought he could win. 3. Not moving around. Zamasu and Vegito would easily beat base Jiren, at the very least. and kaioken goku could send him flying with kicks alone. He is the author of some of the articles here that you liked, and others that you didn't. Who is stronger - the infinite Zamasu that merged with the timeline or Jiren ? Vegito in particular would easily erase base Jiren from existence with only one finger. Merged Zamasu and Vegito know that Goku has Ultra Instinct and that Jiren is supposed to be a mortal stronger than a god of destruction. It would be better if it is replaced with unknown. Whis warns Goku of this early in the arc, that if Zeno gets pissed there's a good chance he'll just nuke everything. JavaScript is disabled. Well,the universe itself doesnt collapse in on itself, but thats not really due to any property of the universe other than whatevers causing it to expand from what I know. We have moved to a new external forum hosted at https://vsbattles.com. I think his fight with Champa threatening to destroy U6 is a better feat for his range. At least Dragon Ball is popular enough to attract such attention. Which episode of DBS did Whis bring this up? Universe with Zamasu as Goku it & # x27 ; t really shown new. 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